/QEE/ Beyond the Uniform: Kerry Steuart's Mission for Mindful Living

RJ Redden:
Greetings, grasshoppers. And welcome to the epic sorry. The quest for epic engagement. Got the show name wrong. Yeah. It's been a day, but, you're here. Your goggles are fastened. Your cape is tightly around your neck, and we're gonna take a little bit of an adventure with my friend Carrie today.

RJ Redden:
My friend, my friend Carrie is a yoga instructor down in Oklahoma, has, is a vet, owns a nonprofits, doing some business, and he's got some words of self care for us today and a little bit of knowledge that I hope you will take to heart because this is obviously a man worth listening to. Welcome, Carrie. Tell us all about yourself.

Kerry Steuart:
Oh, thank you so much. Well, I'll try to keep that part brief. I I will say this. I'll give you a little bio from my past. Air Force veteran, Gulf War veteran, and I was medically discharged in 99. And I got out and went to and I was actually stationed in Omaha. Really enjoyed Offutt up there. It's amazing, amazing place.

Kerry Steuart:
I still Offutt still has my heart in so many levels and really loved it. My my career was really kinda went full circle. I started off there at the reconnaissance, and then I went out to, Korea, and then I ended up in England. And so in Korea, you know, we've got this all this politics going on, but I did the security briefing for the president. So for Clinton, I gave him his security briefing each and every day that I worked. So that was, I would say, challenging at some point because you're taking all this information. You're trying to compile it down for him so he can kind of understand what's going on, but that was a it's a really neat career. But I I I got really sick, had a lot of health issues, and I was medically discharged and got out and did a variety of different things.

Kerry Steuart:
I did restaurant management. I was a franchisee. I did cybersecurity, worked for the USDA, Federal Reserve, you know, some other organizations. And just over 10 years ago, January, 10 years ago, my wife comes to me, and she goes, I didn't sign up for this. You're not the man that I married. You're not the man that you used to be. And I realized that I was like a shell of a man. You know? I was I was stressed.

Kerry Steuart:
I was anxious. I just I was not doing well, mentally, physically, or spiritually. I say I was bankrupt on all those levels. And I thought she wanted a a divorce. That's what I thought this conversation was headed, and she goes, hey. I want you to retire, and I want you to focus on your health and well-being. I'm like, okay. I said, well, I I'm doing super cybersecurity for the USDA.

Kerry Steuart:
I'm gonna walk in and turn in my resignation, and 2 big old guys with guns are gonna come over to my desk and grab my card reader and tell me to walk out the door. So I'll be home in, like, 45 minutes. And that's literally what happened. I went in, typed up my resignation. I just sat there because I knew it was coming. 2 big old guys with guns come over, grab my card reader, walk me out the door. Right? And, I called the VA, and I said, look. I'm I'm not doing well.

Kerry Steuart:
I'm not doing well mentally. I'm doing horribly physically and spiritually as well. I said, I can't work. My wife just asked me to, you know, resign, and they sent me out to New Jersey for golf testing. So I was out there for, like, a whole week. They do all these crazy tests, right, all kinds of, you know, stuff that you'd probably see, like, in clinical trials. It's basically that's what they were doing for the Gulf War veterans, and they recommended 3 things. And so one was Tai Chi.

Kerry Steuart:
I was familiar with it. I'd never done it. Yoga, familiar with, never done it. And biofeedback, and at the time, it sounded scary because I'm like, biohazard is what my mind went to. Like, you know, biohazard, bio like, what are you doing? What kind of chemicals are you gonna put in my body? Like, what? What's this biofeedback thing? Right? It just it sounded odd. And I landed in Kansas City, and they had me an appointment immediately. It's the craziest thing with this doctor black guy, kind of a hippie guy. And, I go out to the VA, and he's like, hey.

Kerry Steuart:
I'm gonna set you down in chair, and we're gonna measure your oxygen and your pulse and your heart rate and all these different things. I just want you to relax, and I want you to breathe and kind of went through this whole modality of, you know, biofeedback. And it was the first time I left the VA hospital more calm and more relaxed than I walked in. I was like, well, there's this is odd. All I did was breathe. I listened to some good music with, like, some birds and some rivers and stuff like that, but it made no sense to me. None. Because if you talk to most veterans, when they leave the the VA hospital, they're enraged and they're more frustrated than when they were when they came in.

Kerry Steuart:
Right? That was the typical journey for me. And so I went home and I studied biofeedback. I'm like, oh, this is mindfulness meditation, eastern version. Right? This is the western version of, hey. We're gonna make all these monitors up. Right? So I dove into mindfulness and meditation a 100%. I got up every morning, and I set an intention, and I engaged in mindfulness of meditation. And then I did it again at noon, and then I did it again in the evening.

Kerry Steuart:
And if there was any trigger going on in my life at all, I'd stop and I would just breathe, and I would go back to my intention. Right? Did this for about 6 months, and then I stepped in to a yoga studio. And I'm doing this mindfulness meditation, intentional thing, this process, what I thought you were supposed to do at a yoga studio, not realizing later that everybody's there just to get a good workout. Right? They're there for the fitness part. I'm here for this whole spiritual part, and I walk out like, oh my gosh. You know? Like, choir of heaven singing and all these things are just going on, and I just, like, have this whole, like, epiphany of, like, I feel free for the first time in a long, long time. So I dove into it a 100%, even more. And then I went and I and I got my 200 hour yoga teacher training, then I did my 300 hour in India, and I have just been working on myself this whole entire time.

Kerry Steuart:
And, really, this yoga journey and path is I give what has worked for me, and it's easy for me to give that to other people. So when you come into my studio, whether it's our our virtually, right, off of these sessions virtually as well, it's really I'm just giving it to myself of what I would say to myself, the poses that I would do, everything for myself, but what I realized it's benefited 100 and 100 of people and especially veterans and essential personnel, and it's transformed their life. You know, when I do these retreats, I've got veterans that come up to me and 1 to 3 every single time, you saved my life. I was gonna commit suicide or somebody got their mother back or their daughter or their

RJ Redden:
whatever. Sorry. Holy moly. You just met my tiny protector. That was that was Ranger. Please I I did not mean for that to interrupt.

Kerry Steuart:
Please go. I was like, so, I realized, like, what I'm doing is working. Right? And so how can I give this to other people in the community, both in person, but how can I begin to lead other people in the community to these modalities where they can use their gifts and talents to help transform and and hopefully save lives as well, you know, and to give hope to society? So that's that's there's a lot more to the story, but that's the the the big synopsis of how I got where I'm at today.

RJ Redden:
I I mean, I love that story. I love that story because, this is, you're giving people the gift of who you are and, and how you saved your own life, you know, at the time when you were when you were at Shell.

Kerry Steuart:
Yeah.

RJ Redden:
And, you know, I think a lot of people feel that way, but they don't really maybe know where to turn.

Kerry Steuart:
It's here's the the craziest thing. The the most simplest concept of our life is the most impactful, and it and it starts with your breath. You know? So my my suggestion and and, you know, from clinical trials, yours if you have trauma, drama, you have all these things from your past, PTSD maybe, the objective is a a diaphragmatic breath, so a belly breath. Your chest is static. You're gonna breathe through your belly. You're gonna inhale for 8 seconds. You're gonna pause and hold for 4. You'll exhale for 8 seconds and pause and hold for 4.

Kerry Steuart:
Now this is what I call self care. So every single morning, I get up, and I breathe. So first thing, I'm laying in bed, and I'm breathing. So this is my form of self care. This is my form of what I call mindfulness meditation, but I label it as self care because this is really vital. So the breath is the first step. That's our key. Then, say, a body scan or a general observation that I check-in with myself today.

Kerry Steuart:
Okay? And so from that general observation is where I come into my intention. So let's just let's use something that's common with a lot of people. We've got a lot of guilt and shame from our past. Right? Things that we've done personally and professionally. Right? We've probably hurt a lot of people, and we've probably hurt ourself even more. Right? So let's just say forgiveness. So I wake up in the morning. I'm doing my breathing.

Kerry Steuart:
Inhale for 8, pause and hold for 4, exhale for 8, pause and hold for 4. Today, I've got a lot of guilt and a lot of shame. I'm gonna offer myself forgiveness. I begin to have that interaction and that conversation with myself as what does forgiveness feel like, what does it sound like, and what does it look like? So I begin to have this conversation first thing in the morning. I'm not doing anything else yet. I'm still laying in bed, and so then I begin to build my awareness of what I feel, like, you know, clothing on the skin, right, the temperature of the room. I always sleep with the window open, so is it kind of warm or cool? What's going on there? You know, maybe the sheets, pillows, whatever it is. Anything and everything touching the skin, I build my awareness.

Kerry Steuart:
Then I begin to build my awareness of what that intention feels like for me. So what does forgiveness feel like for you? Right? When you're finally free, you're not carrying the weight, the burdens. You don't have all these barriers built up. You've offered yourself and others forgiveness. How does that feel? And then the next step is what you hear. So I live in rural Oklahoma, so I'm gonna hear some cows and some coyotes and some hawks and, you know, all these different wildlife that's going on out there. Right? Because I have my window open, and then but then I begin to dive into what does forgiveness sound like, that I remind myself that I'm forgiven. Right? And so all of a sudden what happens is how you begin to articulate and and how you begin to speak is different.

Kerry Steuart:
The way that you interact with yourself and others because you're offering forgiveness. And then it's what I see. So once again, I'm in a space where the sunrises and sunsets are unbelievably just magical. Right? So I'm usually seeing the sunrise and Venus off into the distance, right, and just these different colors kinda like the chakra right here. You've got some mustard yellows and some oranges and some reds and some different colors, and the green coming out right now because spring is upon us. Right? So you see all this stuff and the blues from the sky and the gray. But if my intention today is forgiveness, what does that look like for me? So this is the cycle that I'm going through first thing in the morning before I even get up. Okay? I'm breathing in.

Kerry Steuart:
Inhale for 8, pause and hold for 4, exhale for 8, pause and hold for 4. A general observation. Every day, it's a little different, but I'm just gonna use that common denominator of forgiveness because it's something we can all relate to. Okay? Maybe it's courage. Right? We need courage to overcome and face our fears because we're living in the fear of failure, fear of being hurt, fear of hurting others, fear of fear, fear, fear. Right? We're we're in this whole state of of fear right now, right, on all on so many levels. Right? Everything. End of the world, conspiracy theories.

Kerry Steuart:
The list goes on and on. We're all in all these fears, but what happens if we became empowered and we and we empowered ourselves and we encouraged ourselves? So let me get back. I get I get sidetracked, but here's the saying is, if if I'm offering myself forgiveness, what does forgiveness feel like? What does it sound like, and what does it look like? I immerse myself in this practice. Now I leave my house and I come to the yoga studio. Right? My intention for that day is every single interaction and every conversation I have with myself is in regards to forgiveness. Living intentionally is having that interaction and that conversation with every single person you meet in our community. What does forgiveness feel like to the people that you're engaging with? What does it sound like in your voice, and what does it look like? So whatever your intention is, you give it to yourself. Once you have it and you possess it, it's easy to give to somebody else.

Kerry Steuart:
But you can't give anything you don't possess. We reap what we sow. We're reaping right now the seeds that we planted earlier this year and last year and the last decade of our life. So the seeds that we began to plant today of living intentionally, we're gonna be in be able to grow and manifest. So I know you're you're up in this beautiful area. Right? There's a lot of corn. Right?

RJ Redden:
A lot of corn.

Kerry Steuart:
The only reason it's there is because they planted those seeds. True. That's it. Right? There's some nurturing. There's some water, some things that go along that, but if you never plant the seeds of forgiveness, if you never plant the seeds of courage, of acceptance, they will never grow. They're not gonna manifest in your life. So you really have to be intentional and have those interactions and those conversations with yourself. You're in these cornfields, and they're just they're nurturing, well, pretty much probably a lot of animals.

Kerry Steuart:
Right? But say they nurture our community at some level at some point. Well, that's what happens. So begin to imagine the impact of every single person that we interacted with and we get and we engage with that we offer them love, or acceptance or respect or empathy or understanding. The list goes on and on of all the positive attributes. If we possess it ourselves and we freely gave it to our community, what kind of community would we begin to live in?

RJ Redden:
Right.

Kerry Steuart:
Where we're authentic, we're real, we're genuine, we're truly vulnerable, and we're not having to hide. That's really my version of self care. That's the core key element of it because it has transformed my life and the lives of thousands of people that I've been able to connect with over the last 9 years of doing this.

RJ Redden:
Yeah. It's it's such a powerful thing because it the way that we measure ourselves when we use society's standards is such a harsh ruler. Right? So harsh. And, and most of us as entrepreneurs Gosh, I read this study a few weeks ago and I can't stop talking about it. It was that entrepreneurs have much higher anxiety, depression, ADHD, much higher rates than normal folks. You know, folks who have, you know, who don't have an entrepreneurship gig going on. And the the levels of suicide are higher as well. And Oh,

Kerry Steuart:
I believe that.

RJ Redden:
Oh, yeah. Because we're all trying to pull ourselves up by our own bootstraps. Also, if you can ever tell me actually how to do that, I'd be happy to learn because I think

Kerry Steuart:
you Whoever came up with that idea didn't know what they're talking

RJ Redden:
about. Because you don't pull yourself up. You're pulling your boot up. You know what I mean?

Kerry Steuart:
Yeah. It's you're pulling yourself down. You know? Test. Well, the thing is you gotta think about fear. Right? And we talked about that a little bit, you know, the fear of being hurt, the fear of failure. Right? Not trusting somebody. All these things in our past has created depression. All the stresses from the future create the anxiety.

Kerry Steuart:
Right? So that's part of this opportunity of really being mindful and being present. And the thing is you've gotta look at failure as feedback. I'm learning. I'm growing from what I would label as failure. Without the failures, we would never never ever succeed, and it's not gonna be easy. You know, it's like I'm building this labyrinth out of my property. I'm collecting all these rocks, right, to build this thing to meditate and walk in. Now you know what? Those rocks aren't gonna pick themselves up and move themselves.

Kerry Steuart:
You know who has to pick up those rocks? I do. Is that fun? Not really. It's not enjoyable. But if I wanna create this meditation garden where I and the community can walk around and enjoy it, somebody's gotta pick up the rocks because they're not gonna pick up themselves. So as entrepreneurs or anybody anybody listening on this, there's things every single day of your life that you have to do that you don't wanna do in order to do the things that you wanna do. You have to focus on your dreams, your visions, and your goals, and not your excuses. Those rocks are not gonna pick themselves up and and roll along and put themselves where where they need to go. I have to do that.

Kerry Steuart:
Now we all have rocks in our life that are heavy, that are awkward, that are annoying, that are dirty. They got, you know, bugs underneath them, sometimes snakes, sometimes mice. Right? Things from this earth that we don't really enjoy, we don't wanna engage in, but that's part of life. I mean, that's how we grow. That's how we learn. If we haven't done the work ourselves and it was just handed to us, we don't understand it, and we don't value it.

RJ Redden:
Mhmm.

Kerry Steuart:
We have to fail. But part of this is we're in a society that we don't ask for help anymore, and I'm not afraid to ask for help. And I think I think that's when we begin to give up hope because we feel like we're a failure, and we don't feel like we're gonna succeed. Right? And so many times, that that life of bliss. Right? And this is what this whole thing is about for me is you finding your bliss that every single person out there truly finds and lives their blissful life each and every day. It's normally right around the corner. It's within your reach. Right? But you've gotta you gotta keep on going.

Kerry Steuart:
You can't stop. You can't give up on your dreams, your visions, and your goals. You have to forge forward. And and I say that's one of the difference between a warrior and a soldier. We all have those soldiers follow orders. Somebody at the top told them what to do, and it all goes down. Well, a war a warrior forges their own path. They choose their own destiny.

Kerry Steuart:
Right? And it's normally a path that hasn't been, you know, hasn't been chosen before. It's their own path. Your gifts, your talents are unique. What you're doing is completely totally different than me. There's probably some similarities, but you're reaching people that I could never reach. Hence, why I love leading yoga teacher trainings because I've got a group of people that are gonna reach and impact people that I never do. And a lot of them, it's not about yoga teacher training and teaching yoga. They're still realtors or they're still bankers.

Kerry Steuart:
But you know what? They're mindful. They're present. They're emotionally regulated. They have all these benefits of what they've learned going through these sessions that have made them a better human being. So the training isn't really about teaching a yoga class. Yeah. They know how to do it. They know what to do and what not to do because I go through that, but it's really allowing them to become the the best version of themselves and find their bliss, whatever they're doing for a living.

RJ Redden:
Yeah. Well, normally, Carrie, I have a set of questions, that I know that someone is is talking, but I'm just I'm just I'm wrapped with fascinations, and I've I've forgotten the questions. So, we'll we'll get through this, though. I promise. Yeah. I, you know, so many of us, just in entrepreneurship, it's a it's it's that dream. It's that dream of being able to transform things by what we know and and and the, you know, the things that we do. And people close their doors every day, you know, for for a number of reasons.

RJ Redden:
But I know I know that if we, you know, as a community could pick up better self care routines and be consistent, not not nearly as many people would be closing their doors.

Kerry Steuart:
Well, you're correct. So the signs of lack of self care, lethargy, burnout, exhaustion, crankiness, tiredness, you know, all you think of all these negative things and traits that most of us possess throughout the day, it's because we're not taking care of ourselves. We haven't made ourself a priority, and it's a challenge because we're lost in this maze of consumerism. Right? We're on new Netflix or Hulu, or we're like, oh, I've gotta buy this thing at Amazon. Right? And and your mind is is so distracted with everything and anything that's not really serving you. And that's why it's so valid. You know? If you think about living intentionally and being mindful and being present, being mindful and being present with your family, your friends, your food, your finances, like, maybe just those four things. How can I be present and be in the moment with what I'm eating? Thinking about the journey of my food.

Kerry Steuart:
Where did this food come from? How does it make me feel after I eat it? Do I feel like crap? If I go to McDonald's over here and I get a a Burger King or a Big Mac and a fry and a milkshake, I'm not getting any nutrients. Getting 0 nutrients probably. I don't know what it is, but it's probably not good. In an hour from now, I'm gonna be hungry. I go back through the drive through and I get me another big mac fries and milkshake. Well, what have I done with my resources and my times? Be mindful with the journey of your food and how it makes you feel. Be mindful and present with your family, your friends, and be mindful with your finances of where you're spending your money, that it really is bringing you joy, not just the superficial, like, instant gratification, but truly longevity. You know?

RJ Redden:
Yeah. I, you know, I know a lot of us, you know, have and I certainly have, just a spending thing. I have it with software. You know, a lot of other people have it with other things, but, but, yes, it's stuff that I'm really, really using and and what's the you know, be just taking a second to go deeper than that deep, with my thoughts, and, and to really realize that, everything matters. It really does.

Kerry Steuart:
Said this too since since you don't have a your questions handy. One thing that I encourage everybody to do is develop a mission statement. Because when you begin to live intentionally, it serves your mission statement each and every day. So if we go back to forgiveness, how can forgiveness serve your mission statement today or courage? How can that facilitate? Right? So, you know, your intention, I say, drives the scope of any mission. And, of course, that's a lot of because my military background, because we had specific missions that we were targeting and what we were doing. Right? So our intention of this mission would maybe be for reconnaissance or signal analysis or whatever it may be. Okay? That's the same thing with you in your life. What is your what is your ultimate intention? Is it consumerism? It's probably really to be happy.

Kerry Steuart:
It's probably really to be connected. It's probably really to be loved. It's probably really to be accepted. Right? So when you when you develop your mission statement, your intention drives the scope of that, and it can facilitate this. And then I'll say one other thing, and then you can ask me whatever you want. Most of us growing up, there was something that was lacking. Our parents didn't give us. Right? Maybe they avoided you.

Kerry Steuart:
Maybe they neglected you. Maybe they abused you. Maybe they defiled you. List goes on. The number one thing I hear from people is trust. They don't they didn't feel like they can trust their parents. Okay? So there's something that your parents did not give you growing up that you're looking for in each and every single relationship personally and professionally. So let's go back to a couple of things here.

Kerry Steuart:
So, like, say your parents avoided you and they neglected you, probably what you're looking for is acceptance, maybe love, and trust. The thing is when you begin to give that thing that you're looking for in every relationship to yourself and you live that intentionally and you plant those seeds of love, of acceptance, of trust within yourself, you don't have to go look for it anywhere else. You've nurtured yourself. You've taken care of yourself. Because how many times have we probably perverted a relationship that that we didn't have to or became controlling or narcissistic because we weren't getting what we wanted in that relationship, and we started manipulating people. So one of the biggest things that we need to do is see what we're looking for. What traits, what qualities are you looking for in every single relationship personally and professionally? And I can guarantee you it's probably something you did not get from childhood. Once you analyze that, realize that, dissect it, right, and provide it to yourself, it will transform your life.

Kerry Steuart:
Because then you begin to feel whole, you begin to feel complete, you begin to feel empowered because you're not looking for it anywhere else. You've given it to yourself. And if you give it to me, if I'm looking for trust and you give it to me, then it's a bonus, then we become more connected. Right? If I'm looking for acceptance and you accept me for who I am and you're not judging me without social comparisons, that's another thing. Another thing on this journey in self care is you have to have acceptance for who you are. You have to love yourself for who you are. Without social comparisons of who you were in the past, who you might be, or social comparisons of anybody else. And that's why social media is so insidious.

Kerry Steuart:
Because I can tell you for a fact, there's so many people on social media that aren't they look like they're married. They're not even living together, but the photos are them and their kids. So they're separated. But everybody on social media thinks that their family is great and everything's amazing. And I know behind the scenes how horrible their life is.

RJ Redden:
Yeah.

Kerry Steuart:
But what you see on social media and the news, and I learned this back in the military, it's fake. The majority of what you're watching is an agenda of what they want you to see, and they want you to believe, and it's not even valid. It's not even true. And that's the same thing with our life. Think about how many lies you've been telling yourself this whole lie this your whole life about your limiting beliefs, of your insecurities. Oh, I'm fat. I'm ugly. I'm this.

Kerry Steuart:
I'm that. I'm that. Whatever. Because somebody told you that at some point, you latched on to it. And if you've told yourself a lie long enough, you begin to believe it. Right. Well, the media does the same thing. And I want you to think, is there any validity in that? Is that really, really true? Are you have you just told yourself for so long these negative concepts that you believe them? I could talk for hours.

Kerry Steuart:
You obviously see this.

RJ Redden:
Yes. I I'm smelling what you're cooking, Carrie. Well, let me let me ask, let me ask the one question that everybody who's listening is probably wondering. How how does one get a hold of you, Kerry?

Kerry Steuart:
Livebliss.org.livebliss.org. It's the easiest one.

RJ Redden:
Beautiful.

Kerry Steuart:
With this, I've had a nonprofit, and the funds generated for that give back to the community. So we host, you know, events and retreats. I call it finding bliss and warrior weekends so veterans and essential personnel can find hope again, to find freedom. They can find themselves, and so that we're back onto this path of being intentional and being in the moment and finding who we who we were.

RJ Redden:
Yeah.

Kerry Steuart:
Livebliss.org.

RJ Redden:
That's it. Everybody, if you want to, you know, you wanna talk to Carrie, I know Carrie's on YouTube as well. And, you know, it's it's really time. It's way past time. But, you know, the best time to plant a seed to make a tree was 20 years ago, and the next best time is right now.

Kerry Steuart:
That's right.

RJ Redden:
So don't worry if you're late to the game, because there's always there's always an opportunity to to treat yourself better.

Kerry Steuart:
That's

RJ Redden:
right. And, you know, business isn't business isn't business isn't all about a bottom line. Sometimes you do things that directly affect your bottom line that look indirect on the surface. But let me tell you, self care is a saver of businesses. Just like it saved Carrie's life, you know, it saved mine a couple of times too. So, use this opportunity that you have before you. Get hold of Carrie and, have a chat about some of these things. So, any any final pearls of wisdom, my friend?

Kerry Steuart:
Oh, wow. I just I really hope that people have the opportunity to live intentionally and find their blissful life. That's that's a dream that we have this ripple effect and we really begin to transform our community and that we get reconnected to who we need to be, who we were at some point. And we just let go of all these things, of all these distractions, of all these things that are just bringing us tearing us apart mentally, physically, and spiritually so that we all don't end up bankrupt to where I was 10 years ago.

RJ Redden:
Yeah. Yeah. Perfect way perfect way to end. Everybody, livebliss.org, and, we'll be back next week, same bot time, same bot channel, talking about the quest for epic engagement. This was a self care redirect.

Kerry Steuart:
Yeah.

RJ Redden:
This was, you know, an awesome opportunity to get to have somebody talk who has lived some things and, to, teach us a little bit about, what might put us on a better track if you happen to be not be on a great one. And, that's all we have for this week. Join us again next week. And, hey, if you have some time, come check us out at the Come Right In. The Come Right In. We always have a beverage for you, and, we always have an ear. So thanks for joining us, and we will see you all next time.

Kerry Steuart:
Bye.