📍Epic Engagement Adventure: How Paige Frisone Uses Heart and Science to Engage Her People

Interview with Paige Frisone

RJ Redden: Hold on to your goggles. It's time for the Epic Engagement Adventure.

Hello, Grasshoppers. It's the moment you've been waiting for all week or maybe, it hasn't been that intense for you, but it's been that intense for me. My friend Paige is on with us today. Paige is amazing. Alright, everybody. Paige is equal parts science and fabulous fabulous stuff.

I'm sure you read it in her bio. But my friend we've just been, we've been having a great conversation and we needed to like, interrupt that to come online. So you know that this is gonna be a great great conversation. We'll engage your heart and your mind, just like Paige does. Paige, will you tell the people who you are and what you do?

Paige Frisone: Oh, I would love to. Thank you so much RJ. Honestly, since the first time you and I have chatted, it's been like a instant lifelong connection. I know that this is meant to be exactly what it is I'm so happy to be with you all here. My name's Paige Fra Zone. I am a subconscious health practitioner.

I'm also the founder and owner of my business, inner Realm Wellness, here in Boulder, Colorado. So I really. Dedicated to helping people awaken their fullest potential by processing the invisible brain and the way that emotions get trapped in the subconscious. The subconscious is 95% of our existence, and funny enough, in society, we only prioritize the 5% of that, which we can see.

So I really love being in the mysticism of the invisible and all that means in the realms of spirituality and consciousness and energetics. But I also really love rooting that into the body with the. And the science piece of it is very epigenetic. It's the piece of modern day science, knowing that we are designed to heal, regenerate, and be whole.

So I really love serving people in the mental health world, people with a depression or anxiety or addiction of all kinds, and really help them understand why certain programs are showing up in present day and how they can heal those sustain.

RJ Redden: sustainably. I love that last part because plenty of, there's in your business as well as mine, there, plenty of shysters out there.

There's a lot of snake oil sometimes, and when you can show someone how to heal sustainably, that is a powerful thing.

Paige Frisone: Yeah. That is the thing that gives me fire in my belly. That is what ignites me to be sustainable. Because you want to, first and foremost, I want everybody to understand that the body is designed to heal by design.

That's just not a nice thought. To think. It's a nice thought to think, but it's not just a thought, it is a truth. It's a fact. It's scientifically proven that the body's designed to heal. I could go into the granular nature of like how our fingernails are grow. Point one millimeter every month or how our, cells are regenerating every seven years or our musculoskeletal system.

We get new skeletons every decade of our life. Like all of that is fact. And at the same time, our beliefs get in the way and our beliefs are very limiting. And we start seeing through these perceptions of I have chronic disease or I have autoimmune, or I have things that have been pathologized and diagnosed, and then we have multi-layers of trauma and then on and on, and we start actually arguing for our limitations.

We start justifying the ways that we're sick and why we're sick, and then it gets harder and harder for us to really understand at our foundation that we're designed to heal. So once we know that we're designed to heal, it's a matter of how do we do that? How do we activate? Cells of our body to upgrade, to present moment experience versus staying stuck in the past so that we can create a future of intention, of conscious choice, of really being in our agency and in our power.

So that is my passion.

RJ Redden: And it's beautiful. One of the things that kind of fascinates me about what you do is that. . People don't always recognize that they might be stuck in the past because subconscious blocks are by their very nature, not super visible. It's not like you're hanging out with a photo album of everything that's ever happened to you on your lap and interpreting your whole life through that physically, but in your mind, that could absolutely, in the subconscious, that could absolutely be.

Paige Frisone: Oh, for sure. And I, it's funny, I, it's very meta and that's why there's a lot of spiritual elements of it, but it's. . Spiritual by nature. It's science by nature, and then with spiritual undertones, and I'm good with all of it. That's why I love the integrative world. You get to str straddle Eastern and Western.

I'm not anti one or the other. I do have preferences, but we need them. They all have a time and a place. And I had a prospective client call me one day and she was like, you know what? I wanna know the things I don't even know about myself. And I was like, you're in the right place. There's a way in which we can actually bring the invisible to the visible realm, and not just with awareness.

Like it's good to know certain things about yourself. I know a lot of self-aware people who still are stuck in subconscious patterns because they're like, gosh, there's that thing again that I do. I'm self-sabotaging. I have these thoughts. I'm not good enough. I'm not worthy. I can't do it. And I know that I'm worthy and I know that I can do it, but here I am, ping ponging with these past and shadow.

Of me, where the heck are they coming from and what do I do about it? And so it's beyond just bringing awareness to the surface, which is maybe something you would find more in like a conventional therapy system. And I love therapy. I always say I'm a therapy enthusiast, but I don't think it's necessarily the most effective because you're only treating the 5%.

That's the tip of the iceberg. It's like there's so much under the surface that we have to acknowledge first. And if we don't heal the. . I was researching this quote yesterday that's heal the root so the tree is stable. That's just what makes sense and our society doesn't operate that way. So no, no one.

RJ Redden: One must learn to think for oneself. One simply must. Yeah, I, learned that lesson well. So tell. What drew you to this type of work? What made you sit up one day and say this is my future?

Paige Frisone: Oh, gosh. Yeah. It's a story really in, in a bite size portion. Here I struggled. Severely. I was just a chronic sufferer for the first 25 years of my life.

That's a quarter of my life that I don't get back. And in that period of time, it was all trauma. I lost all of my memories. I had no chronical recollection of my life. I was victim to other people just telling me what my life was because I didn't have any other evidence or my own agency to prove them otherwise.

So I had chronic night terror as a kid. I had a lot of psychic and spiritual trauma being attacked by things I couldn't explain. I was bullied in school. I had various traumas in the home that were actually repressed until I was 26, and that came to light as a result of the subconscious work that I've done.

As well as taking myself cold Turkey off of seven Prescription Medicine. That medicines that I was on, I don't even know I was on them. So I I was developed. I. anorexia, severe depression, anxiety. When I was in high school, that proceeded to take a decade of my life. I couldn't hold down a relationship or finish school or a job.

And I really was skating by. I was self-harming. I was self-medicating like I was. In all of the phases of suffering that you can really experience, and I was non-compliant. I was in and out of treatment centers. I was just an enigma in the medical world, and I didn't understand the why behind any of it.

I was like, I guess I'm just born to suffer. And so not having that understanding just created so many layers. Trauma on top of the trauma that originally I experienced. And so I was living through a really low frequency and I was only seeing through that frequency and . I took myself from a really depressed place.

I moved myself away from my environment in the Midwest. I took myself out to Colorado to be with the sunshine because I could tell the air was different here. Something was different here. And I started a different school that was a Buddhist inspired university. It was a really wild place for better and for worse.

And I picked up contemplative psychology, which was always where my home was in my heart, because I loved the therapy world. I was in it since. Seven. And even though therapy has a lot of limitations from a cognitive perspective, in my opinion, Still something that was comforting to me. So I studied a lot of contemplative psychology practices involving western therapy as well as eastern therapy in the world of traditional Chinese medicine, Ayurveda, botanical medicine energetics, all across the board.

And I was an apprentice for this amazing experience of literally going into the Boulder Mountains and making my own botanical medicine and flower essences. So I swung on both ends of the spectrum until I came back to realize There's something missing here. In all the treatment centers that I was in, nobody talked about the subconscious.

They tell you how to compartmentalize your thoughts, how to titrate your thoughts, how to be discerning about the thoughts that you're thinking, how to try and convince yourself outta your thoughts. All the things that have nothing to do with the root cause. And so when I discovered this subconscious work, I was like, this is missing everything.

And so now I'm in a really beautiful place. , I've been actually connecting and collaborating with former therapists of mine. I'm like, Hey, you know me. You know what I struggled with. And at the same time, this is what I want to be able to help this demographic with now. And I want people to, understand that they're not crazy, they're not broken.

There's nothing wrong with you, and there are ways to heal. There are infinite ways to heal. We just have to have the right vocabulary and resourcing and networks to know how to get.

RJ Redden: And it's so hard because if there's anything that society likes to tell every member of society, there's something wrong with you.

Find it, figure it out, smash it out. Do whatever you have to do. And really, and I do technology stuff with people, but folks need, coaching too. And that's one of the things that I think is a revolutionary message. There is nothing wrong with. Yes. There's nothing wrong with you.

Paige Frisone: Yeah, and what's so brilliant, and what I love about our connection, RJ, is you're such a computer person, and we were talking about living in this digital world and the win, which I do really relate to that too, is that I treat humans. I treat humans in a way, in my mind, like computers, because we are, we have files, we have archived dna, we have ancient programs, we have downloads that we receive all the time, that now I'm able to see when we're triggered, are just triggering past memories.

They're triggering past versions of us. , just like a computer. If you don't update your computer, if you don't update the bugs, the software is not gonna operate very well. So when we're so blended with those parts, we literally develop thought viruses. We develop physical viruses, we develop all the things that a computer would start experiencing.

Symptomatically to show you it's breaking down. That doesn't mean that computer is done for, it just means like it needs maintenance, it needs preventative care. It needs a lot of the things that us humans need as well. And then when its time has come, we upgrade and we get to do that on our cellular body every single moment of the day with the right.

RJ Redden: So you've been teaching people these right tools for some time. Is there, any client stories you have with kind of healing tell us, how does this, we've been talking about the subconscious and things that we can't see and living in this dig digital universe.

How do you help bring that healing?

Paige Frisone: Yeah. So I guide clients through a really intimate and intricate process that has 16 steps. We'll go through 16 steps every session, and within those 16 steps, there's 14 modalities from both eastern and western medicine combined. So that incorporates like chiropractic philosophy emdr, total body modification, neurolinguistic program.

Shamanism. There's so many ends of each spectrum of Eastern and western combined, which is so beautiful. So essentially help people journey by taking inventory. Like we'll get present together, we'll get connected. I'll ask them what's been going on since I've seen them, and then we'll observe the physical body, like what are the physical symptoms you've been experiencing that you'd love to shift?

If you could, how would you rate them as far as their intensity? Then we'll drop into the emotions, like when you think about the stress of your. , what are the emotions that it causes you to feel? Is it rage, depression, anxiety, sadness, fear, whatever it is, let's just rate them. No judgment. Then we're gonna go ahead and create an intention to anchor our session.

And that's really based on the electro electromagnetic field of the heart space. And actually training the mind to follow the heart instead of the other way around, because of course, society doesn't work that way. We know electrically that the heart is thousands of times more powerful than the brain, and it operates in magnitude more with more density.

And so when we can train the mind to be actually the receiver or the observer instead of the runner of the show, we can start creating new grooves in the mind, body, and spirit. . Once we get the intention down, then we'll go journeying into the mind with repetitive statements and we'll just harmonize along the way through muscle reflex testing.

And then we're gonna locate like the root memory of what is the signal, what's the root trauma? And there's a lot of roots. It's not just one, but it's like a game of Tetris. We're always gonna find what's ready to come to the surface, and then we're gonna dialogue. Suppressed, repressed, archived part, whether it's from this lifetime or past lifetime or generational ancestral trauma, we're gonna locate like what age specifically and what emotions were happening at that age that are actually signaling your present day stress, your present day trauma, your present day, dise, whatever it is.

And once we do that, we really paint an elaborate picture of what was going on at that time that was not serving you. What was the need that wasn't met, and how can we upgrade? Cellular memory to a pattern of regeneration instead of degeneration, because when memories aren't process, by nature, we start degenerating instead of regenerating.

So it's very beautiful. It's all about how to upgrade the neurology, the physiology, the biochemistry, and that's the sciencey part that I like to geek out about. But it's also very beautiful and energetic and specific to the person. So every session is different and. in it. It matters to me that people understand why we're doing what we're doing because we're journeying into the invisible, which means we're using the subconsciousness language, and that language might not make sense to the conscious mind.

It doesn't make sense to the conscious mind. So I really wanna empower people. I'll always help them understand why we're going into the next phase of our session together before we get there. Yeah.

RJ Redden: It's good to have a guide, isn. You know what I'm saying? You can attempt to cross the English channel in a boat or you can hire a guide and probably get there faster and have a much better time.

Paige Frisone: You know what I'm saying? Absolutely. Oh my gosh, for sure. And I've been there, like I wouldn't be able to do what I do if I didn't use this work in my own life, if I didn't see the value in it, and I just genuine. Wanna help. There's so many acrobatics involved in this intricate process, but you don't necessarily need this intricate process to heal like you are your own healer.

And at the same time, we are also the co-creators. And so I find having a guide, having. Somebody to walk you through the really scary parts to help keep you organized and keep you safe. That feels really critical for healing. And that's the piece of genuineness that you and I were talking about before we got on today of there are a lot of people with the snake oil and they're trying to sell you their way.

And I'm not trying to sell anybody my way because my way is just my way. It's just what works for me. And I think it's really cool I get to do with clients in session who resonate with me, but ultimately it's all about them. It's about their guidance and their wisdom and everything that they have being within them, and me just helping them really activate that awareness.

RJ Redden: Very good. Yeah, and we were talking about this also dropping the convoluted dropping the everything that you think that you need to do in favor of the things that will really make a difference. We were talking about that, both in terms of what you do and what I do.

Sometimes it is absolutely the simple things that, that lead people to where they can, be free of that photo album. To.

Paige Frisone: Yeah, absolutely. And when I first started out , it's so cute to look back at past versions of me because it's been such a beautiful evolution in this professional world.

I've been doing this work forever, but professionally for just a few years now. And when I first started out, I, it was so grassroots. I literally messaged and it was very personal. I personally message. Every single one of my Facebook people, every single one of my Instagram people, every single one of everybody that I had ever acknowledged in my entire life.

And that involved going back through old yearbooks and going back through, old contact phone books and things that I had not. Addressed in so long. I was, I lived such an isolated life that for me, building a business was such a beautiful way to be, become part of the world again and to be like, Hey, here's what I've been going through behind the scenes, and this is something that I.

I'm here to offer now, and if it's something that resonates for you or resonates for a loved one, we are in such deep need of this on the planet right now and I'm here and it was really as gentle and simple as that, and I wouldn't do that necessarily now at this point in my practice, however, It sustained me for a solid year one.

Like I just had a flood of people that were like, wow, that sounds really cool and interesting. And I would love to have a unique different experience than what I'm, doing now. And I got to reconnect with people from high school and from my youth and things that, I would never have had the bravery to put myself out there like I do right now.

And I think that brave. Is exactly what people are looking for and it's exactly what they're resonating with.

RJ Redden: And I think it's because the bravery comes from a healed place. .

Paige Frisone: Exactly. Yeah, exactly.

RJ Redden: So much so much that you're saying this just really good stuff. I I have a friend who does some of the subconscious stuff with me as well, and it is,

It's a, it is, it can be such a beautiful gift. You don't even know what's in your own way. A lot of people says, say, get out of your own way. Coach Jenny used to be my coach. She says that all the time. Get out of your own way. But there's a problem when you don't even know you're in the own, your own way.

Paige Frisone: Totally. . It's like, where do you even look if you don't know where to look? It's chicken or the egg. Like it's so overwhelming, and I find that you can start thinking yourself into more dise or disorder, trying to figure out the why and the why is important, but it's not necessarily the only way that we heal.

There's just so much to it as far as finding the. That feels best for right now is not gonna be the thing that necessarily feels best the next moment. But we need to be able to work the muscle of discerning, when do I call in support? How do I call in support when I'm so paralyzed versus when do I tend to myself and just sit with this.

Sometimes all we have to do is just sit with it. It helps when other people can help you see when you're in your own way. I've been deceiving myself since I was in my infancy. I thought I'm good when I'm not good. And there's just so many ways. The mind is e labyrinth. And if you try, we can't heal the subconscious mind through the conscious mind.

It's impossible. We can't do it. And that's why we can't think ourselves out of feeling things. We can't think ourselves into feeling things. There's a way in which we have to. at first get educated, in my opinion, get educated about what the subconscious is, so then we can start tracking how it shows up in our lives.

For example, one of my mentors, used this example the other day, if I go to the refrigerator, she said, she was like, if I go to the refrigerator and I put the water bottle in the same place every single day that I'm going into the fridge, getting the water, taking it out, putting it back, and then one day I'm going in and I reach my hand to the right where the water's supposed to be.

And it's not. Instant trigger because we're autonomic that way. We have our habitual programs and our routines, and it's subconscious that we're walking, through our lives with our coping skills. Whether that means. Like retail therapy or Netflix binges or whatever it is, like those are all programmed.

And what happens when that coping skill or that mechanism gets taken away? Maybe it's anxiety, maybe it's panic, maybe it's terror, maybe it's fear. Those are the emotions under the surface that we have to deal with. We have to because they're all interconnected and the invisible. So if we're feeling fear presently, it's actually coming from a passport and it's triggering all the other times we've ever felt fear in our life.

And if we don't find that original route, then we're just swimming in the masses of fear, like nobody wants to experience that. And then that perpetuates the cycle of the psychiatric world and the way that we're medicated. And it also perpetuates the cycle of more coping skills on top of more coping skills.

And. , we usually run in the opposite direction of what we need to be running in. And really it's a journey right now of coming back to self, coming back to center. And even if you don't know how to deal with the difficulty, just being able to practice sitting with yourself in it without judgment.

RJ Redden: Yeah, that's a hard one.

That's a hard one for a lot of people. We're taught, find out what's wrong with you and fix it. Fix it. The world won't tolerate imperfection. Which that's absolutely, it's, I know why people say that, but it's not correct. It's just not correct at all. Totally. And the, it's at this part of the podcast that I usually ask about how do you engage your people?

And for you we were really talking about some stuff beforehand about a specific form of engagement. Do you want to you wanna introduce that?

Paige Frisone: Yeah, I would love to. Gosh, I had been talking about how in the beginning of building this, after year one when I had been doing these grassroot connections and I had been building.

My clientele in a way with these familiar faces, these acquaintances, which by the way is something that in subconscious work I get to do. I have such a privilege of being able to see friends and family members and acquaintances. As long as you can really hold that professional boundary. But that's not something that you can necessarily do in a therapy setting.

So I wanna clarify. I'm not a therapist. So I was able to really get to see a lot of familiar people, their friends, their family members, people that were just in my close circle. And then after that it was a question of what's next? Because I this is not gonna sustain itself forever.

Obviously there's gonna be turnover and what do I do? And so I got really bought in and I skewed hard into the digital marketing world, and I'm starting to follow all of. Automation people that are like, here's how to scale your business in X amount of time. Here's how to make a million dollars in two weeks, like just crazy stuff, and I was bought into it. I just, I didn't resonate with it to the extent that I was gonna go 100% that direction, thankfully, because I am very much about alignment. So I'm like, if that doesn't feel aligned, I'm not just gonna throw caution to the wind and. , but I was very influenced by it, and it made me feel crazy.

It made me feel like I went into one of my tendencies, which is workaholism, and I was , just having to be productive all the time. Having to send out all the emails, having to build these funnels, having to create, automations and things that I never actually saw were in my vision for this business.

I was like, how did I get on this trajectory? And here I am, like six months steep into it and I'm like, oh crap. Like, how do I get out of this now? Because I've actually skewed way off my path when all I wanna do is be of service and help people. And here I am, like being this digital robot who doesn't even know where my soul went.

That's not okay. No. Yeah, so I actually was very stagnant for many months in my business because I was like, what's my next step? I'm very clouded with all these digital influences. I'm trying to figure out social media. I don't really love social media, but I feel forced into doing it. There's all this resistance that I'm struggling with, and then the internal resistance that I have is now manifesting into the external resistance in my business, and now it's impacting my practice, and holy moly.

So it got very complic. and after really being in the liminal space, like for many months, day in and day out, what is my purpose? Should I scrap the business? I hate everything, right? Like it got really hard. I had clarity. I had an epiphany, and the epiphany was, you know what? I'm a writer and I'm doing this healing work.

And both of these, those things balance me out very well. I love being able to do multi-passionate things, but I'm missing something. And the thing that I perceived I was missing was speaking and. Aha moment came through an inner child, part of me that was like, you know what? You've always wanted to do that.

You've always wanted to be able to educate, on a grander scale. And so I started applying to all these places and I got accepted by a couple big summits, one of which is coming up in March. And the person that's part of the summit is dedicated to visibility. She's dedicated to helping you be visible.

Started this whole organic whirlwind of, oh, I'm gonna show up and I'm gonna be myself and I'm gonna practice being myself, and I'm gonna practice being the chameleon I am. And talk with amazing people in all these different realms of experience and let things be organic again. Let one thing lead to another and let the universe do its thing.

And so it's been scary because it's been such an experimental time in my business, but it's felt so much more authentic to. as far as like email marketing and stuff like that, like I have my basics down. I have the website, I have the social media, I have the email marketing. I have all that stuff, but I wanna do it differently because I am somebody who's very person based.

I'm very heartfelt and I am always committing to being non-invasive. I'm always committing to educating people as to why I am reaching out to them and confronting them if I'm doing that at all. And then the goal and the priority for me is always to instill value. I want it to be valuable. I'm not gonna spam you three to five times a day, like I'm on the receiving end of some of those people.

And it's terrible because now, like I know how much effort it takes me to send out a heartfelt. I really know what that takes, and it takes my heart and my time and my energy. And then for other people to be spamming me three to five times a day to tell me how to scale my business and all these digital metrics and all this stuff that just creates more fear in me.

And paralysis. I just don't even open it. I just, I absolutely archive it. I delete it right away and I can't even think. People in my network deleting my emails like that makes me really sad because they put so much into it and they're infrequent. I do it when I have something that I'd like to announce, or I do it to share a reflective moment, or I do it to provide more resources for them, and I do it in the name of the work that we do.

It's just all with intention and I'm seeing the contrast of the way we're inundated and the way we need to actually come back to our human selves and. That's the work that I'm working on right now. Yeah.

RJ Redden: In the inundation, you are not kidding. I have been slightly obsessed the last couple of weeks.

There is a guy on YouTube, his name is Mike Wynne. Okay. And he plays. Entrepreneur. Bingo. Ah and he's got he will take the webinars of all these huge coaches, Tony Robbins, Russell Bronson, Dean Graziosi. He will take the webinars and he will film himself watching them. and as soon as they hit upon a certain thing that all of them do, oh, that sounds like a bonus stack.

And then he'll, he'll mark it off on his bingo sheet and oh my gosh, that sounds like a BS backstory. Oh my gosh. And it is equally absolutely hilarious and a little bit like, whoa, because I've fallen for that. Me I have fallen for oh, you need these landing pages in this order, and you need to say this and you need to put this word in capital letters.

If I received. , any communication with capital letters e , it goes away immediately. I cannot. I cannot. Yeah. And I will not. Yes. Holy moly. We have all fallen for the $2,000 class. Yep. We have done this. Yes. This is overdone. The time is past due. . And one of the things you were talking about is, writing something really heartfelt to your people, which congratulations.

That's the only way for people like us. Yeah. But on the, at the same time, a lot of these ai, robotic writers have entered the market and it even makes more carbon copy crap as I call it. Yeah. that at one time, the, to me that was like, oh, how awful. But now now that, some things are coming out, it's oh, what a beautiful opportunity.

To have real connective tissues stand out.

Paige Frisone: Oh, I was just gonna say yes, 100%, 100 emoji a million times because we need the contrast. We need, and this is the difficulty of sifting through the modern world. Like we need to see the shadow, to know the light.

We need to. be able to say that doesn't feel good in order to know what does feel good. And to be honest with you, I dedicated a lot of my time, even in the recent past year to shedding light on being controversial. Like I was like, you know what? I'm gonna stand against everything like this. That just really bothers me and I'm just gonna be very vocal about it and very transparent.

People like opinions, I got opinions, let's go. And it was exhausting equally. Like even though I know people really like the polarization, and you're gonna find your right people by doing. It doesn't take me long to feel what's right and what's not in my body, and I got to a place where I was like, okay, instead of harping on all these other things and instead of being frustrated by the ways of the world, which there's a time and place to talk about that too.

I'm just gonna focus on like where I'm going instead of what I'm running from, cuz I'm just like tired of looking over here when I wanna be looking over here. So it's been really a matter of clarity and focus for me of instead of ruffling up my own feathers without even knowing that I was doing that I thought I was doing.

Productive content, but instead I was like just picking bones with everything around me. And I think that there's value in that too. There's value in every stage here because we have to know one to know the other. But it's delicate in the healing world too, cuz you do see people selling out in the healing world because if you really are of service, you're of service and then you're selling too hard, too much, too fast, whatever it is, it's just tainted for me.

I was debating about this certification thing that I, whatever I decided not to do it. I don't need it. But I was just looking at this program and the second, ai, it's very much like you look at something and then you're getting inundated with all these ads about it. And so I was looking at this center for healing or something across the world and I was just curious about what they were offering and how it compares or contrasts to what I'm currently doing.

And I like to research what's out there. . I'm seeing the way that after I looked at it once and then never again, I am being shown with urgency. Hey, you only have one day for your 50% off offer, or you're gonna get the discount for one more day and that's it. Or it's expiring in two hours, or whatever.

And I put a blast on my social story about it because I was like, listen, if you really car. About certifying quality practitioners. If you really cared about helping ease people into the right transition in their life, why are you pushing this financial piece so urgently? Because if it was really in their best interest, if it was really for them, and not for you, then you would give them the gift of time to figure it out.

And I see this all the time. I'm on tons of email lists where I'm like, gosh, I get it. Like I understand you need to make money and you need to have the left brain and you need to be logistical. And there's a delicate, dance here, you gotta be fluid and you gotta be structured. I get all of it, but it's very hard because in grad school, for example, You have all the time in the world to figure it out.

Like maybe somebody will call you, but they're not gonna say, Hey, your tuition's half off if you sign up tomorrow. That's not an option. Yeah, so it's just interesting to me how a lot of these things that are supposed to be in your favor or like in service of you are just the opposite of that.

RJ Redden: They're the opposite. And the thing is that I is people who use a system of stirring up emotions so that you won't think about what you're doing right. I do use persuasive. Elements in my speeches. I do. Yeah. But there's a difference between being persuasive and being predatory. And.

One of the things that, this series of videos, he's got a ton of 'em on there. Just, he, there's a whole entrepreneur formula. Oh, lose an afternoon in his channel, if you will, . I did. But but one of the things that he points out is that so very often people will say oh, this this class, it's, we can only take a limited number of people.

Yes, it's a digital class . That's like saying you can only give out 10 PDFs and then you know what, it makes no sense. Yes. But the thing is, stir the emotions, stir the emotion, hurt 'em all into the same gate, heard 'em all into the same gate, and they don't even have to make sense.

And y I. It, it's caused so much entrepreneurial, carnage. . Because there are coaches who close their doors every single year because their marketing makes them hate themselves. Gotcha. And like, how, why is this still happening? And so I'll tell you the story of the guy that makes these videos, he's been.

His accounts have been pulled in some places because these people have a serious amount of money and do not like being called out like that. And it has happened to other people too who have, attempted to be whistleblowers in this space. But it is. Yeah it's one of those things that is fascinating to watch.

I watched three or four of these entrepreneur bingos in a row, and like all of a sudden I'm like, whoa. And I've been thinking about all of the things that I too have bought into because we're in that, that high of emotion. And then we buy, perhaps a really expensive program, we buy it and then that.

we don't ever assume again.

Paige Frisone: Totally. Oh, this is the difference, as you said, between like persuasive and predatory. That's very powerful. This is a difference between somebody getting people in the door and keeping them in the door. Like you don't want that revolving door energy with people that you're again, like wanting to serve.

That's just, I feel very strongly about that. I do. It's intense.

RJ Redden: I, yeah, I do as well. Because, , that type of marketing serves one slice of the people. Yes. But people who want to learn how to use their transformative gifts to help others. And really wanna see that person transform and succeed, those type of people.

Yeah, are getting, they're getting scammed into these things. They're getting, they're paying way too much money and then they hate themselves and they close their doors. It is it's our mission in life to present another way for people that doesn't make you go, God, I feel like a SLE ball every time I hit.

Paige Frisone: Absolutely. And I think about like in the western world, doctors supposedly, right? Like historically they're supposed to, they take this hippocratic oath, which is do no harm. And in the healing world there's so much more fluidity because there's less structure. By nature, there's not necessarily the same degree of education.

Requirement in society to be seen in the same lens or the same standard of practice. And so for that reason, it's really muddled. And in this marketing way, I'm feeling the same feeling of. do no harm. Like our number one responsibility is to do no harm. And when you hit send and you feel like a sleaze ball, but you're acclimating to that energy because you think you have to, because of all the pressure and all of the ways that you're believing you are doing the right thing.

That is such internal discordance that requires a lot of healing. There are repercussions to behaving these ways that we've been programmed to behave and interestingly, Subconsciously, the subconscious is interconnected. That's why sometimes we pick up other people's thoughts, other people's frequencies, other people's feelings.

Our dreams are crazy, right? There's a reason that we all are humans having a universal experience in different ways. That's the mysticism of life. At the same time, in this sense with the marketing, people are praying. on pain points, and we don't just have like our micro individual pain points. Like all of our lives are special and unique to us and we have our own difficulties, but then we have collective societal pain points.

We have ancestral pain points, we have all of these shared experiences, and so some marketing mogul can say, Hey, I know that you feel insecure and I'm gonna cater to your insecurity and I'm gonna sell you these weight loss products and you're gonna maybe die from them like, The solution in our modern day world.

And I'm saying that so candidly because I've been that consumer. And so we have to actually, in seeking the purity of the people that we wanna work with, we have to observe the system in which they operate under. I feel so strongly about that. I feel so strongly about integrity and ethics and morality and purity in, so the roles that we play, right?

Like in my practitioner, professional. You better believe I'm coming at you with the best and the highest intention because I've been on the receiving end of the lowest and worst intention. I've felt that. And gosh, it's just up to other people's discretion and their intuition to be able to discern what's right about this for me, what's maybe not right about this for me.

And the second we're hijacked, this is the game, the second we're hijacked. The second we're I. , we are actually offline and it becomes harder to discern what's good for us. We're not in our agency. The second we're triggered and we get triggered all the time. So then it's a matter of okay, maybe we shouldn't make really hard decisions, or maybe we shouldn't commit to the $2,000 program, or we shouldn't, sign on for this person's help until I'm more in a clear, grounded space.

Yeah.

RJ Redden: Until I've had time to pull away. Think about it, take a. Oh, man. I know what you mean. And holy moly, we have been talking about some big stuff, my friends. And just stuff that's really concerning in the world and how we get as practitioners and as people who wanna help transform people how we can get better and how can we can learn.

And you also have. You also have a little something for the audience, if I'm not mistaken. Do you want to talk about that a little bit here?

Paige Frisone: Yes, I would love to. So yes, I have a free gift for all of you. I call it an affirmation and resource kit for sustained health and wellness. So wherever you are in your healing journey, whether you are like, what is healing, what does this mean, what does this look like?

Or whether you have tried everything under the sun and you're like, gosh, nothing. Or whether you're just curious and you wanna compliment your current practices with something more. I have a free gift on my website, so it's inner realm wellness.life/free gift, so inner realm wellness.life/freegift, and you just drop in your email.

Again, that's just completely in exchange for this beautiful resource. It's going to be chock full of mantras, affirmations, as well as like ritualistic practices. External resources in the form of films, media, articles, books, things that can really jumpstart your healing process. And I always say just play with it.

There's things there that are like specific for acute and chronic pain. There's things for resting and letting go, detoxing the body, exercise, movement, all the things, all the basics for human existence and. You can play with one, you can play with all, you can be as fluid or disciplined as you want. That is there for the taking.

RJ Redden: Nice. Folks do benefit from this benefit from this knowledge. This is not shouldn't pick this up on a webinar, folks. This is tried and true stuff and it draws. Here's what I absolutely love about Paige. , we're drawing from many areas. Here we are. We are not just gonna parrot out, something that was given to you that was given.

To that person by somebody else. That was, this is experience. And this is meant to serve a wide variety of people. So pick it up. You got nothing to lose at all. Nothing to lose. Everything to gain. Thanks for offering that to my audience. They're they're an amazing bunch and and a lot of good, a lot of wonderful coaches out there.

Gosh, thank you again. Thanks for coming on. You lit up my afternoon.

Paige Frisone: Oh, you lit up my afternoon. You lit up. You light up so many people's lives. I know this for a fact. Seriously, like in the short time that we've known each other, you've made such a big impact. And I really love seeing like the digital world as an entity, as a holistic living, animate thing.

That's the same as business as within. So without. So if there's a way that this can reach even one person who feels value in this, I am a happy camper. I am so grateful to be here. I appreciate you so much. Thank you.

RJ Redden: Oh, you bet. Any final words of wisdom to share with the folks? Any one thing you could say,

Paige Frisone: Embrace contrast.

Don't try and avoid the shadow. Go after it. Notice what doesn't work. Because once you know that, you're going to find what does Just have faith in the process.

RJ Redden: That's be. . I just absolutely love it. Because it's true. Because darkness is scary, but it's not permanent. And if we spend our entire lives avoiding the darkness then we are, we're confined.

Paige Frisone: Yeah. And that cliche that's it's either. A season reason or a lifetime, or it's a blessing or a lesson. It's all of it. All the time. We are all of it all the time. That's how you and I started this conversation before we hopped on. It's just embrace the wholeness of you and that includes the dark.

It's not separate, apart from it. And if you have an experience where you're in the dark or you're, you've, attracted like a tough teacher or something that's just not serving you, just know that it will bring you to the next greatest thing I. Yeah,

RJ Redden: there's always hope. Yeah. Embrace the contrast, my friends.

That is that is the final bit. Of knowledge. If we tried to drop any more knowledge into this hour the internet would explode, and we don't want that. No. Gosh do join us again. We're doing this next week. We, I can't have this amazing guest all the time, which saddens me, but we'll have another amazing guest and and yeah.

Gosh, crack on out there. It's the world can be a scary place, but we're better together and I am so happy that you joined us on our adventure today. So keep your head up and we will see you next time. See you.